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Moving voice between clefs (Line)


Hey, new SmartScore user here
Really like the program
I have an issue with voices though as illustrated in this picture
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how can I fix put this line between clefs to fix my staves?
the end part of this score is filled with those notations

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No picture!

Try uploading your image to DropBox, and post the link here.

(It sounds like you're asking about cross-staff notation, but I can't be sure!)

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Thanks for the fast reply

This should do
https://ibb.co/cLw5Yg0
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That did it. Thanks! SmartScore can't do that, as far as I can tell. the closest thing is the glissando tool, but that only works to the next note in the same staff. I tried it and followed up by moving a note cross-staff, but that left artifacts, as well as not being positionable.


SmartScore definitely allows notes to "visit" adjacent stafflines. We call it "visiting voices". Simply drag the notehead (single or group of selected notes) well into the adjacent staff. Visting notes will retain their voice assignment from the home staff while inheriting the pitch value from the visiting staff... all without affecting rhythmic values of notes in either parts. Glissandos are a whole different species of animal.
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Remember, SS is designed as a scanner app. As such, it doesn't contain all of the elements found in true notation programs. Send it in to tech support as a feature request, and maybe they will add it to a future release, either as a element to be recognized, or as a line tool in the enf palette. There is a line tool in the image recognition palette, but won't work in a recognized score.

EDIT: There is a way, but it's not easy, or (in my mind) acceptable. You can use the legato (slur) tool, drag the end points where you want them, and fiddle with the Bezier nodes to get a straight line. But the endpoint tends to jump to a note, rather than letting you have full adjustablitiy. Stick to the feature request!

https://imgur.com/a/ownZkCy



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Yeah. I'm using it for detecting purposes/and midi export as I can't read sheets properly for now.

Well it's not that serious since it's only for a score.

Thank you anyway, I'll let them know.



Here is an exact reproduction of your snippet to show that cross-staff voicing works well in SmartScore:
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Remember that there are 3 voices in the left hand so a quarter rest on Beat 1 & 3 is necessary to fill out the measure.
NOTE: You could use "Hidden Mode" to hide them from view (in green).

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EDIT: There is a way, but it's not easy, or (in my mind) acceptable. You can use the legato (slur) tool, drag the end points where you want them, and fiddle with the Bezier nodes to get a straight line. But the endpoint tends to jump to a note, rather than letting you have full adjustablitiy. Stick to the feature request!

https://imgur.com/a/ownZkCy




Okay I tried this way. Problem is nudge tool doesn't let a note from the upper staff to be tied with a note from bass clef. Are you experiencing the same issue?
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Did you look at the image I posted? I put the legato on one staff, and then dragged one end up to the other staff. The line went pretty straight when I dragged the bezier handles right onto the line, next to the endpoints.

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Cheers. Just saw the image.
That's what I've been trying to do. Though with more complicated notations, it's not working as intended.
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No, it won’t. It’s definitely a kludge, and if you need it, you’ll have to go to another app. Just something to play with, really!


Cross-staff voicing works, both with recognition and with editing. There's a section on it in the manual. Voices (both beamed and stand-alone) can "visit" an adjacent staff while retaining its value in the home staff. Multiple notes can also be selected and dragged to a visiting staff. Be aware that you will need to drag noteheads well inside of the adjacent staff before it registers as "visiting". If the note(s) are beamed, you may have to readjust the beam angle with the beam endpoint handles.
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The only other option I can think of would be to “print” the score as a PDF, and add the lines there. If you’re on a Mac, it’s easily done in Preview. I don’t know what Windows might have to offer.



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I STAND CORRECTED!!

After consulting with tech support, I have a partial answer. In the original, there are lines between the staves. I did not understand that they are actually showing cross staff notation, which is easily done in SS. I'm only used to cross staff with beamed notes, as shown in the second measure. Applying the same cross-staff techniques to the dotted quarter note Middle-C yields those lines. However, they were not able to apply that same line across the barline. They are working on it.

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