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Sorry I hunted and searched and can't find a match. I know this this is a problem another person has as well so it must be mentioned here somewhere.

When I scan from paper sheet music SmartScore marks a number of measures in pink showing there is something wrong. Visually they appear perfect. Every note head is the same as the original.

But even though every staff appears full, the software requires adding rests just to be full. So measures that are 4/4 aren't always treated as 4/4 but sometimes more like 5/4 5.5/4 or 6/4. It is especially weird because it usually is on one staff of a stack in which all the others are right.

Is there an easy way to fix these… right now I'm deleting all those notes and re-entering them manually which, given how often it does this, is very cumbersome.

Also note that deleting the notes and entering the identical appearing notes results in correct behaviour.
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nevilread,

I note you've recently registered here on the forum: welcome.

I'm not sure I fully understand your problem, but I suspect it has to do with SSX's concept of "Voices". SSX started as a means to generate MIDI files from printed scores. The editing tools were optimized for that task. The "printed notation" functions are relatively recent additions, and have some limitations.

But back to what I think is the primary issue. In a sense, MIDI knows nothing about "notes"; the midi stream is basically a series of NoteOn and NoteOff messages in a specific channel at specific Bar/Beat/Ticks times. As such, the timing is essential. In order to support differing rhythmic patterns within a measure, SSX uses different "voices" (on different MIDI channels) to permit such things as one melody line in eigth notes playing against another in quarter notes. I realize that may be an awkward way of explaining it. This requires that all voices in each measure must be rhythmically complete: in a 4/4 measure, there must be 4 beats for each voice. Now, the there is also a feature to "hide" rests that are required to accomplish this, and SSX generally hides the ones it adds during recognition--you can show/hide them with the View->Show->Hidden Symbols menu item.

SSX generally shows notes in different voices on the same staff using different colors for the notes in each of the four voices for each staff. It is possible that you have "turned off" this "Voice Visibility" option. You can toggle it using the VV tool (the one with two eighth notes with stems in different directions).

I might recommend that if you haven't already, download (you can do that from the Help menu) the "Using SmartScoreX" PDF manual and spend some time reading through it. It has pretty good explanations of most of SSX's features, much better than in just the help files. It will be time well spent.

The Voices concept is perhaps not that intuitive, but it is also used by real notation programs as well to provide midi playback capability.

I hope this helps and that I correctly identified the issue you're experiencing. If not, or if you have further questions, post back and let us know.

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I also suspect it has to do with Voices. It could be that what looks like 2 individual notes are glued" together - 2 voices are present but it looks like one voice. Each voice is allowed to have the amount of time prescribed by the time signature in the bar.

A test for this is to hold the Shift key down so the handles appear for the notes and other items. In the offending bar, move the handles for the notes in turn. If more than one note moves then they are glued together. Use the select tool or press the "O" select shortcut on the keyboard and select the glued notes. Press "Y" on the keyboard to unglue them.

I'm doing this from memory but I think I have it right.

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When there are two voices, SS will know that if the second voice starts on (for example) beat two, so it should automatically put a hidden rest on beat one. BUT, if the second voice only goes to beat three, you might have to insert a rest on beat four. Also, if you have both voices with a rest in the middle, you might need to duplicate the rest, so it's in both voices. This should eliminate the duration error. Also, if you are taking the result into Finale or another program to generate learning tracks (this is what I do) those duplicated rests keep the voices in alignment.



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I appreciate the replies.

It occurs where there is only one voice in the staff.

I wish I could post an image.

This is when sheet music is scanned. The appearance is exactly that of the original music, but it's as though it decides a 1/4 note's duration is shorter. So in 3/4 time three simple quarter notes don't fill a measure.

I also do not think it is an issue of the software assuming multiple voices where there is only one. The note heads are all the same colour and correctly shift. The notes do play in correct sequence not 'on top' of each other.

The software does know something is wrong because the the affected measures are marked in pink.

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I went into the midi view of an affected 4/4 measure.

The scanned and note display shows:
1/8 1/8 1/8 1/8 1/4 1/8 1/8 which should fill the measure.

The midi gives three 1/8 notes the time of 1/4 note (1/4th of the measure). The fourth 1/8 note together with the 1/4 note is given the time of a 1/4 note. The last two 1/8 notes take up 2/3 of the 1/4 note time. The midi has nothing in the remaining 1/3 of the third 1/4 note space and nothing in the last quarter note space.

Even more weird: If I edit one note in the measure, it corrects the note durations. And if I 'undo' the edit, the MIDI is correct AND the score no longer is highlighted as an error.

If this were only occasional, I can enter corrections manually but it occurs very frequently.
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Your description of the note durations in MIDI sounds like the program is creating triplets. The only place I see a control for that is in both the Document and Program Preferences - Suggest Autotuplets. The Program Preferences would be the setting for all "new work" and the Document Preferences just for the current document.

Try unchecking both these boxes and do the Recognize again. Of course, you might well ask: "Doesn't a question box appear before it does this conversion to tuplets and Shouldn't I see a triplet marking over the notes?".

You may have to send your score to Musitek support to get this sorted out.

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Could you send me the score? I'm at wawoodman at aol dot com.

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