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2 notation questions


1. I need to tie the last note in a measure to the 1st note in the 2nd ending. How do I do this?

I entered a tie from the last measure note to the first note in the first ending, but I can't see how to tie to the first note of the second ending. Hence the player is double playing the note when it goes to the second ending instead of tieing them together.

2. I've got a choral score with two verses. Each verse needs unique notes e.g. first verse and second verse.

How do I connect the correct notes to the correct verse?
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Re: 2 notation questions


I don't think I'm going to be much help but the multiple ending tie question seems to be a problem for lesser notation programs. It can be done in full version Finale with things like a backwards tie but that to my knowledge doesn't exist in SS.

This has come up before and like I said then if anybody has a solution I'd like to know it. See the following for a workaround.
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While SS does allow score creation and has some pretty good features it is primarily a scanning and correction tool and doesn't have the ability to handle every little issue.

A possible solution is to have 2 versions of your file if SS is your main music program. One makes it look like the original score and the second has been modified so the playback is correct. This approach is done with other programs too.

There are a couple of SS users that do choral work so they may come up with some solution but one uses SS to get the notes in and then uses Finale for the final production version.


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What are you trying to accomplish? Is your goal a printed score that looks like the one you scanned, or are you looking for a midi file or audio rendering of the score. I'm not sure you can have both for either of the issues you present.

My use case was for the rendered music represented by the scanned score. In both situations you describe I would have just added new measures or systems to the score to achieve the desired result. I don't believe there is any other way to accomplish that.

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My bottom line goal is to have Smartscore play the file correctly e.g. tieing the notes together on both endings not just the first and playing the correct notes for each verse.

I realize I can re-write the music to brute force the repeats and notes but I was checking if Smartscore has this [sign in to see URL] not.

Thanks for the responses.
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No, it doesn't. Remember, SS is primarily a scanning/musical OCR program, not a full-featured notation app.

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So what program will allow me to notate and print what I'm needing at the most reasonable cost?

Full Finale?, Finale Music Print? other?
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I hope Mikey12045 revisits this thread because he knows much, much more about Finale than I do.
My belief is that only full Finale will handle this tie problem. I think that you need to get the full version because even if you find a lesser product that will handle this problem some other issue will occur that it doesn't handle. The full versions aren't cheap and you have just missed out on a good Black Friday price.

I've talked about Finale but it is likely the same with Sibelius or anything else as well.


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Since you're looking for the rendered output, you might get away with redefining the multiple endings one or two measures before the tie, assuming that there aren't ties across many of them. That is if the two endings are one measure long, trying copying and inserting the previous measure before the second ending's start, and redefining the multiple endings to include the preceding measure (in both cases).

I hope that made some sense, because it's harder to describe than to do.

@Zoots: seems you beat me this morning by a minute, so I was almost done hunting and pecking when you posted your first reply :-)), but you beat me to the punch!

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Yes, you can fiddle the ties in Finale to look right.

I'm not sure about playback, though, because that's rarely a concern for me. At worst, I would do a second score for playback, through-written.

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mikey is spot on in his last post about the absolutely best approach to a solid "performance" score: Get rid of all repeats, coda phrases, multiple endings, etc. The resulting score and midi files will be much more reliable, and allow you to make instrumentation, timing, phrasing, and other midi changes at any point in the song without worrying about "secondary" impacts elsewhere.

I had to resort to that for one four manuals pipe organ piece of music I had to fit into an existing wedding video of a friend's wedding, in St Peter's in Rome, because the videographer messed up the sound of the original and replaced it with some other "stock footage" he had on hand. It really does give you the maximum degree of flexibility. But it is a bit of work, although I've spent as much or more time trying to get multiple repeats and jumps to work, occasionally to no avail.

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