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Copy Staff to new staff


I've tried using Score Structure to duplicate a staff so I could strip the notes I don't want for this new part and assign it to a different Instrument. No matter what I do, it maintains the original staff name and the controls associated with this staff control the original staff as well.

I know in Personal Composer, it was a simple 4 step process, insert new staff, select the staff to copy, copy it to end, select new staff and paste. Done.

I've not been able to find anything in the manual or online that specifically states how to do this. One place refers to using the Score Structure....
I'm using SSX2 Pro. 10.5.8
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Re: Copy Staff to new staff


I will admit from the start that I have never used SSX to do anything like you are describing. To me, who first became interested in the program back when its name was MidiScan, it was basically an OCR program that could take a scanned image of a score and produce a playable midi rendition of that score. There have been numerous "additions and improvements" to enhance its capabilities to produce reasonable printed scores (eg producing individual part scores from an orchestral one). But using it as a composition tool? Maybe that's a stretch, and could be why there would be no mention of that functionality in the "manual" [one question: which "manual"?]. But let's put that aside.

I will also confess that I have mixed success with my attempts to use the "Score Structure" tool. That could be due to a number of factors, including large gaps in my intimate knowledge of orchestral scores. But my attempts to use it suggest it is intended to separate various parts of the score that may consist of multiple "voices" (maybe section instruments) notated on a common staff into separate parts staves or consolidate such separate parts in to a common staff; not so much as creating entirely new and different "instrument parts" in the score. I could be entirely off base here, of course.

Could you describe in a bit more detail the process you used to "duplicate" and then modify the staff which you somehow want to "clone" into a new and different instrument part. Perhaps just creating a new "part" in the system manager, and its associated staff, then copying the notes in the existing parts and pasting into the new staff is the answer. I can't say at this point.

If you want an official Musitek take I'd open a support ticket with an email to
techSupport. This forum is primarily users supported, and though real Musitek people occasionally check in and sometimes actually post here... but I would not call that routine.

Of course, one other option may be to save the SSX scan as XML, and then import that into Personal Composer. I don't think I've ever used the XML export in SSX, though there are some folks here who do that routinely to get the scans into Finale for their printed scoring work. If PC accepts XML input, perhaps that's your solution.


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Since my reply yesterday morning, I've been thinking about this some more. I've got a very busy day today, so I don't have time to really try this, but I did have an idea. As I said, I've not had a lot of luck deciphering the Score Structure features.

But you said you managed to duplicate the part you wanted to start with. I think it should have struck me right off that next thing to do would be to define that as a new part--seems obvious now. To do that, try making your duplicated staff the active staff, then open the System Manager (Edit->System Manager or Ctl-M). In the resulting dialog, make the controlling system the "Super-System". The Super-System is what defines every the fundamental aspects of every system in a score, and is how it "knows" about systems that may not always be visible. Go your duplicated part and change the name, the instruments, etc. Then in the "Apply to" control select All.

I'm not sure that will resolve all the issues, but I suspect it will get you closer to what you're trying to do. I wish I'd had time to try it out myself.

Let us know. Certainly, someone else will want to do this as well.


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Re: Copy Staff to new staff



Edit > System Manager
Click On Add Part

Highlight Existing Part name (whole line is blue) which will be above or below the new part.

Click on Insert Above or Insert Below as desired.

New part will appear and is likely PianoR
Still in System Manager change it to desired instrument.

Click OK. OK.

Copy and paste the notes.

You will have to fix up the key signature etc of the new instrument and transpose notes if necessary.

While SS may be a bit cumbersome for some operations remember that its primary purpose is for OCR and repairing scans.








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