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Thanks ZootS. We're never too old to learn something! All these years and for some reason I'd not "found" the "V" shortcut, but it's been there all along.

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Hi tlwebb, glad I could teach an old dog a new trick! It is amazing how we can use a piece of software for a very long time and then somebody comes along and says, "why don't you just ...".

The one item in the SS manual that I have found useful, because it combines a lot of info in one place, is the full-page graphic of the computer keyboard showing the function of each key in SS. I have it taped on a cardboard stand so I can see easily see it when working.

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The advice to delete ties is really helpful. This will save a great amount of time for me. I'm totally new to SmartScore and there seems to be many tricks, like the hot keys you guys have mentioned, I might need to learn in order to use this software in an efficient way!
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Do you guys know how to correct such kind of rhythm error?

Thanks in advance!
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The issue is (I think) the fact that both the whole notes and the cross-staff notes are both in layer 1.

I would move the trailing cross-staff notes to layer 2. You might need to enter and hide rests, to fill the beats.

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Yeah I think that's the problem. Is there any way I can set he layer of the cross-staff symbols?

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Sorry it's so late, and I'm really pretty wiped out--really crazy today and I haven't been home much.

The real problem here is all the crossed staff stuff. I'm not that great at sight reading this sort of thing, but I'll give one example. In the first measure, the C# whole note seems to be the only one that is "part of" the upper staff. All of the eighths appear to be part of the second staff: the left hand is to play them. So the intuitive solution (my first attempt) there is to delete them from the first (right hand) staff (or maybe temporarily just leave them as go-bys), go down to the lower (left hand) staff (making it the "active staff") add an eighth note on the 3 downbeat somewhere low, press the Caps Lock key to "lock" that staff as the active staff,then go to "nudge mode" (hold down the shift key) and drag it vertically to the C (first ledger line)in the upper staff. Add another eighth low, then drag it up to the D position on the upper staff, then add the accidental sharp. Continue adding notes. Hit the CapsLock key again to release the lock and then delete the last four eighths from the upper staff if you didn't already, and see if the error marking disappears.

I'm obviously NOT a keyboard player, and although I sort of get the concept behind the notation, the exact fingering (and the rational behind it) and description of this sort of line isn't all that clear in my mind. Plus, if it wasn't so late, maybe I'd be able to explain it better. But the basic idea is to grasp that anything that the right hand plays belongs to the upper staff(the right hand "part" -- PianoR). Anything played by the left is part of the lower staff(left hand part PianoL). Since there is no "error" indication, it appears that SSX assumes the first four notes are played by the left hand (with an implied half rest on the 1 and 2 in the right hand) and the last four (on the 3 and 4) with the right (and an implied half rest in the left).

Now, what's happening in the third measure...that's a bit beyond me. Obviously a whole note chord, which if the slur is correct appears to be part of the left hand part, but then the rest of the stuff on the two staves??? It looks like you need a third hand to me.

There is a section in the Using SmartScoreX PDF manual about "cross_staff voicing" that explains it better than I can, especially at this point in my day.

Hope this helps more than it confuses. Hopefully someone who really knows this stuff and clarify it for all of us, but maybe this will get you started on a solution.


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Just in case it isn't obvious, SmartScore uses the term "voices" not "layers" although the concept is the same for fixing the notation.

What I like about Layers in Finale is that you can deliberately put notation into a specified layer. The Voices in SS seem more like magic to me on getting things sorted out into the desired voice. This may be because I don't need to use Voices very often so it isn't a devil I know.



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Send me the file, at wawoodman at aol dot com.

It's a pretty easy fix, but hard to describe without having it in front of me!

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